tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post7641902308740823411..comments2023-10-08T05:00:23.559-04:00Comments on Clarissa's Blog: Anti-Porn Feminists: An OxymoronClarissahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11027134365260069910noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-26027210155048384152011-04-27T10:51:53.840-04:002011-04-27T10:51:53.840-04:00My friend, its is not your place to "advocate...My friend, its is not your place to "advocate" what adults do or do not consume. You have serious issues with sexuality and I am convinced that you will be well served looking into them. There is too much fantasizing going on in your head about something that you claim to have no interest in.<br /><br />Your references to "us" having sex for money are also well-noted. I'd appreciate it, though, if you excluded me from this category. Maybe a housewives' blog will provide you a good reference group for that.Clarissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11027134365260069910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-3584836611358568912011-04-27T09:49:05.158-04:002011-04-27T09:49:05.158-04:00Incidentally, I found your site by googling "...Incidentally, I found your site by googling "feminism is dead." And this is exactly why I think that is so. I don't advocate making porn illegal, but I don't advocate consuming or making it, either. The oldest profession - selling our bodies for money - hadn't resulted in social, economic, or political equality for thousands of years. If we keep doing what we've been doing we'll keep getting what we've got. And furthermore, when one woman objectifies herself, it makes it harder form me to be taken seriously as a not-sex-object, so by advocating for women's objectification (and consuming it) you are working against my best interest. Therefore we do not advocate the same thing - which leads we to believe there is feminist tent big enough for us both to fit into. I therefore concede feminism. Go watch a drug addicted, emotionally damaged person with herpes get paid to have sex for your enjoyment and call yourself a feminist. I don't want to be in the same category as you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-17226606011473440932011-04-27T09:43:31.974-04:002011-04-27T09:43:31.974-04:00I was so excited to find your blog until I read th...I was so excited to find your blog until I read this. Show me the porn performer who wasn't abused / isn't on drugs and I'll concede that watching that performer get paid to have sex (how exactly is it sex-positive if you require payment for it?) is progressive. The women who make porn for women? Tristan Taorimo? Her 'hard sex' video featured an actress who later landed on Dr. Drew, said she was a sex and drug addict, and quit the industry. So that's how much 'better' women porn directors are doing. And if the industry was ever transparent enough to release financials, it would probably show a 90/10 distribution of customers to profit - i.e. like liquor manufacturers, they make 90% of their profits from 10% of their customers who use the product pathologically. Sad. Just sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-36683600209887345452011-03-21T02:04:02.502-04:002011-03-21T02:04:02.502-04:00If you don't mind, unintelligent anonymous per...If you don't mind, unintelligent anonymous person, I'll decide what I should or shouldn't do on my own blog without your advice, ok?Clarissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11027134365260069910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-19957792244125143022011-03-21T01:04:39.975-04:002011-03-21T01:04:39.975-04:00http://web.mit.edu/sgrp/2008/no2/EatonSAPF.pdf
On...http://web.mit.edu/sgrp/2008/no2/EatonSAPF.pdf<br /><br />On an unrelated note, feminists have been disagreeing with one another since the days of Elizabeth C. Stanton. Just because you disagree with some feminists' POV doesn't make them less of a feminist than you are. Quit using personal attacks derived from remarkable ignorance to invalidate other people's opinion. Sometimes opinion is just that - opinion - they're always right if you look at them from a certain angle and always wrong if you look at them from a different angle.<br /><br />kthxbye!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-65012042166892945742010-04-04T16:24:43.332-04:002010-04-04T16:24:43.332-04:00"As feminists we have to recognise that all o..."As feminists we have to recognise that all our ‘choices’ are mediated, the ‘choice’ to be a housewife, or to wear a burkqa, to take your examples."<br /><br />-This is yet another of those meaningless sentences that seem copy-pasted from somewhere.Clarissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11027134365260069910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-19827840000774068772010-04-04T16:23:49.502-04:002010-04-04T16:23:49.502-04:00I did not read your site. Nor did I ever claim I r...I did not read your site. Nor did I ever claim I read it. I tried but it is full of rantings of sexually repressed people who want to make me equally repressed, and that bores me. I, for one, have no interest in controlling and legislating YOUR sexuality. You, however, want to control and police mine.<br /><br />It;s hard for me to discuss anything to you because you use linguistic barbarities, such as "pornified status quo." I don't know where you live but I currently live in the US. This is an extremely sexually repressed society. Has been so always for a variety of historical and cultural reasons and continues being so today. So your way of speaking sounds simply laughable in the context of this country.<br /><br />You also tend to use meaningless rhetorical questions, such as "Why is human sexuality the only part of human existence that gets cordoned off and treated as sacrosanct? As normal, natural, inevitable and unquestionable?" I don't know where you copy-pasted this from. certainly, I never suggested that sexuality is the ONLY sacrosant area of my existence.<br /><br />Another problem with your writing is that you use endless passive constructions, such as: "Now, natural genitalia are seen as ‘wrong’ and in need of a surgical ‘cure’." Seen by whom, may I ask? I don't see my genitals this way. Even though I enjoy porn a lot. This proves that there is absolutely no connection between porn and genital surgery. I can guarantee that you will find that most of people who have this surgery are profoundly sexually repressed. They might even use the expression "pornified status quo" just as much as you do.<br /><br />As to opposing patriarchal control, I wonder how you manage to do that if your desire to control my female sexuality is in no way different than any patriarchy's desire to control it. Feel free to point out the differences if you find them. I haven't been able to do so yet.Clarissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11027134365260069910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-5120661885079767492010-04-02T17:16:45.792-04:002010-04-02T17:16:45.792-04:00Also, we wouldn’t get support from religious funda...Also, we wouldn’t get support from religious fundamentalists (or support them) because we are <i>radical feminists opposed to all patriarchal control</i>, but hey, it’s easier to call people names than actually listen to what they say and engage in actual debate right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-38582328739301932792010-04-02T17:10:28.832-04:002010-04-02T17:10:28.832-04:00You failed to answer a single one of my questions;...You failed to answer a single one of my questions; instead you just resort to insults. Again, have you actually read any of the blog? <br /><br />Dismissing any woman who questions the pornified status quo, or who suggests that there is actual violence against women occurring in the real world, as “ranting” and a "religious fundamentalist" is just doing the patriarchy's job for it by trying to silence any dissent - I’m sure you’ll find plenty of support among pimps and pornographers and traffickers with your support of the sex industry - well done!<br /><br />Why is human sexuality the only part of human existence that gets cordoned off and treated as sacrosanct? As normal, natural, inevitable and unquestionable?<br /><br />As feminists we have to recognise that all our ‘choices’ are mediated, the ‘choice’ to be a housewife, or to wear a burkqa, to take your examples.<br /><br />There are very obvious examples of how our sexuality is culturally mediated. More and more women are getting their labia surgically removed to conform to an air-brushed porn ideal. Now, natural genitalia are seen as ‘wrong’ and in need of a surgical ‘cure’. The same with the complete removal of pubic hair, and breast implants, the cultural ideal for women’s appearance (which is undeniably tied in with sexuality) is now something that appears nowhere in nature.<br /><br />If we cannot question any aspect of human sexuality, if we say that it is cut off completely from culture or politics or ethics, then we cannot question men’s sexual violence, because that simply becomes a ‘natural’ part of human sexuality, not culturally constructed, not an aspect of male supremacism and a consequence of living under patriarchy. <br /><br />The very existence of a commercial sex <i>industry</i> clearly demonstrates how sexuality is part of culture; without poverty, there would be no sex industry as we have it now, and poverty isn’t innate, natural or inevitable. It is impossible to separate out sexuality from the rest of human culture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-20397386731634316372010-04-01T15:03:35.580-04:002010-04-01T15:03:35.580-04:00If pornography stunts your sexuality, I think you&...If pornography stunts your sexuality, I think you'll be better off joining the fundamentalist Evangelical camp. They will also appreciate your rants about pornified weaker women. Religious fundamentalists also don't want to prohibit ALL sexuality. Just like you and your group, they want to control and legislate some parts of other people's sexuality that bothers them. I think you will find a lot of support for your quasi-feminism among these religious fanatics. Good luck!Clarissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11027134365260069910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-13144472993803265332010-04-01T11:32:40.215-04:002010-04-01T11:32:40.215-04:00What a bizarre straw (anti-porn) feminist you have...What a bizarre straw (anti-porn) feminist you have constructed for yourself. You link to our blog, but I get the distinct impression that you haven’t read a single thing on it, past the title. If you had, you would have seen that our tag-line is “pro-sex, anti-porn”, and one of our main concerns is that pornography stunts our sexuality, rather than expands it.<br /><br />You might also have noticed that we are a radical feminist group, that means we are opposed to all forms of patriarchal control, and recognise pornography and pornified sexuality as just another form of control: before we had to be ‘good girls’, now we have to be ‘bad girls’ and if a woman doesn’t like that, she can be ridiculed as an anti-sex prude.<br /><br />Can you point to where exactly on our blog where we say housewives and burkqas are good things? Can you point to how exactly we demonstrate that we have “a profound fear of sexuality”, or where we say that no sexual expression whatsoever is allowed?<br /><br />None of us got the chance to develop our sexuality in a vacuum, if you’ve been fed junk food all your life, then you think that’s what good food tastes like. That some women get off on porn doesn’t make it feminist, some women sexually abuse children, is that feminist too? That some women make porn doesn’t prove anything either, some women are pimps and traffickers and make money exploiting weaker women, does that sound feminist either?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-8700527616344146022010-02-17T16:48:02.558-05:002010-02-17T16:48:02.558-05:00Val, thank you for participating in the poll.Val, thank you for participating in the poll.Vnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-8212806024826237042010-02-17T14:19:13.054-05:002010-02-17T14:19:13.054-05:00This is turning into a really fun discussion. :-)
...This is turning into a really fun discussion. :-)<br /><br />Thank you for your contribution, Val.Clarissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11027134365260069910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-4512628240052105602010-02-17T14:15:54.749-05:002010-02-17T14:15:54.749-05:00We are currently observed by an elderly cat (somet...We are currently observed by an elderly cat (sometimes the younger one too) & a Chihuahua who's pretty good at staying out of the way, although we occasionally have to lure her out of the bedroom w/treats...<br />I think our donkeys would be ambivalent unless carrots were involved ;-)<br />Oh, & V - my answer would be "B"!Valhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03152215204773184788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-39030246828639522432010-02-16T14:42:19.614-05:002010-02-16T14:42:19.614-05:00The discussion took an i9nteresting turn while I w...The discussion took an i9nteresting turn while I was teaching. :-)<br /><br />But now I'm thinking about it, having sex while being observed by a donkey sounds kind of like fun. Huh. <br /><br />Guess I'll just join the club of the porn-corrupted people. :-) :-)Clarissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11027134365260069910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-56302624681584863162010-02-16T12:30:34.597-05:002010-02-16T12:30:34.597-05:00Mike, I wanted to poll women. :) :)
I am also gam...Mike, I wanted to poll women. :) :)<br /><br />I am also game for many things, but maybe that is because my brain is irreversibly corrupted by porn. :)Vnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-62380925762422840692010-02-16T12:11:21.814-05:002010-02-16T12:11:21.814-05:00"And that's exactly what makes me such a ..."And that's exactly what makes me such a fantastic lover."<br /><br />Ha, right on.<br /><br />I draw the line if my partner leads a donkey into the bedroom. Well, unless it's a really cute donkey... ;-)<br /><br />But anything else, I am game.<br /><br /><br />-MikeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-4782216175777982782010-02-16T10:13:29.110-05:002010-02-16T10:13:29.110-05:00And that's exactly what makes me such a fantas...And that's exactly what makes me such a fantastic lover. :-)Clarissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11027134365260069910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-32155888173930435982010-02-16T10:03:24.896-05:002010-02-16T10:03:24.896-05:00Well, I am sorry if it is too personal - but even ...Well, I am sorry if it is too personal - but even with that attitude, there are always some things one likes and the things one dislikes in sex. Thus, there is always an opportunity that your partner offers or tries to do something you are not very enthusiastic about. Has nothing to do with who is an object or if anybody is an object.<br />Otherwise what you describe sounds like you do not really care what he does or does not do, you just do your thing...Vnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-1521182956141349572010-02-16T09:53:54.473-05:002010-02-16T09:53:54.473-05:00It's just that there are people for whom this ...It's just that there are people for whom this entire way of thinking ("my SO offers/doesn't offer") is very alien. As I said, I wouldn't know how to answer because for me sex is all about me and I kind of don't even notice much if anybody offers anything or not. I do whatever I need to do in order for me to get pleasure. I just don't think in any otehr terms about it.Clarissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11027134365260069910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-51117513728567635722010-02-16T09:50:39.221-05:002010-02-16T09:50:39.221-05:00---V.: you forget that not all women see themselve...---V.: you forget that not all women see themselves as the objects of sex.<br /><br />??? In suggesting this poll, I did not assume that women cannot possibly introduce any novelty and therefore are objects. I wanted to determine the attitudes of women towards their men offering something new, especially if the idea of that "something new" can be traced to porn. It is not exclusive of everything else which could happen in a relationship.Vnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-53284196413968816172010-02-16T09:27:03.519-05:002010-02-16T09:27:03.519-05:00Anonymous: the women you talk about decided it'...Anonymous: the women you talk about decided it's ok to be degraded for money. That happens often and in many different professions. As stupid as that choice is from my point of view, I do not believe that it's the government's role to protect us from our stupid choices. That's not only condescending and paternalistic but also inherently very dangerous.Clarissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11027134365260069910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-58583746316505538892010-02-16T09:25:05.097-05:002010-02-16T09:25:05.097-05:00V.: you forget that not all women see themselves a...V.: you forget that not all women see themselves as the objects of sex. I, for one, don't have an answer for your poll because I'm not one of those people who sit (or should I say, lay) around waiting to be offered anything. :-)Clarissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11027134365260069910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-65801882683882149802010-02-16T09:19:34.076-05:002010-02-16T09:19:34.076-05:00----And maybe they are right. :-)
Then I guess we...----And maybe they are right. :-)<br /><br />Then I guess we have to make a poll for women...<br />a) my SO does not offer enough novelty and experimentation in sex<br />b) my SO offers just a right amount of novelty and experimentation in sex<br />c) my SO is too much into experimentation<br />d) my SO is too much into experimentation and it additionally upsets me that he seems to get ideas from porn.<br />e) do not have SOVnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-12293143456047849432010-02-16T05:28:42.303-05:002010-02-16T05:28:42.303-05:00As someone who has worked on porn sets and not a p...As someone who has worked on porn sets and not a person making judgments looking from the outside, porn DOES degrade women. At least on set, not always the actual film I guess.<br /><br />The women are treated horribly and not respected as actual workers and if they speak up they get laughed out. <br /><br />Of course none of them care because of one thing. I'll give you a hint at what it is: Green and starts with an M.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com