tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post7720487836246208943..comments2023-10-08T05:00:23.559-04:00Comments on Clarissa's Blog: Killing ChildrenClarissahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11027134365260069910noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-5758263822890028552011-02-01T12:17:52.604-05:002011-02-01T12:17:52.604-05:00We have a great comedian in Canada by the name of ...We have a great comedian in Canada by the name of Ron James. (If you get an opportunity to see his show, take it, he's absolutely gut splitting hilarious).<br /><br />One of his bits is about being a kid, back in the early 60's. Today he'd be on Ritalin; back then, he says the teachers would say, "that boy ain't right" and that would be all there was to it. He's done okay, I would say.<br /><br />I'll agree that medication has it's place - but I would be hard pressed to be convinced that we're not over-medicated in the Western world. A problem should actually interfere with normal functioning before you go on medication. I don't even take medication when I get a headache - usually a glass of water or a coffee will do the trick. <br /><br />I think we're all a little too quick to try and find a pill to cure everything.Patricknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-69824142435792816682011-02-01T12:06:25.140-05:002011-02-01T12:06:25.140-05:00Students even take pills to help them study. How c...Students even take pills to help them study. How crazy is that???<br /><br />They say they can't work as hard and be as successful without medication. This is completely insane because how did all those great thinkers of the past make it without medication???Clarissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11027134365260069910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-21791822547779148552011-02-01T12:05:25.649-05:002011-02-01T12:05:25.649-05:00Imagine that! After a long discussion we finally a...Imagine that! After a long discussion we finally agree on everything. That's why discussions are so important.<br /><br />As for medication, I always surprise my American friends by telling them I have no medicine cabinet and American doctors by saying that I'm not on any medication. I'm not saying that pills can't be useful. Of course, they can. But people are used to guzzling handfuls of these things for whatever reason. I mean, a pill to treat social anxiety disorder??? What is that even? A pill for being shy?? Crazy!!!<br /><br />I also agree with you about depression. How much of it is manufactured is a question to ask.Clarissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11027134365260069910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-8605526575424532532011-02-01T11:58:58.838-05:002011-02-01T11:58:58.838-05:00I think I can finally agree with you. Understandi...I think I can finally agree with you. Understanding where we were (The Feminine Mystique) is essential to understanding where we are going. No problem. I get that.<br /><br />Where we go off the rails is the assumption that nothing has changed in society's expectation and ideology since that initial publication. That's where I see you stuck - look at a calendar. It's 2011. Women are free to be academics, politicians, lawyers, actors, leaders etc. . . I don't think anyone was surprised that Hillary Clinton made a presidential bid. Go back 25 years, when Geraldine Ferraro was (Mondale?)on the ticket for VP (1984). I remember it was all over the news then - how amazing, outstanding, unusual, weird, etc. . . that a WOMAN was on the ticket for VP. In 2008, the focus was on the actual issues of leadership, vision and policy. (I still think the Dem's got it wrong - but that's an issue for a different day). Nobody (who could be taken seriously) asked "why" she wasn't at home. Women outnumber men at universities. Everything tells us that the world is radically different than it was in 1963. <br /><br />Painkillers and coffee. I've never seen that in Canada, and I hope I never do. We've medicalized (did I just create a new word) everything in our society, and now we're exporting it around the world.<br /><br />Interesting story - I was listening to a documentary on the CBC one day (long drive, no choice) - and they were discussing international depression. Before the 1960's, Japan did not have a depression problem. Since the pharma companies gained access to the Japanese market, they now have some of the highest rates in the world. What was once culturally thought of as 'melancholy' and a necessary and normal part of existence, is now a disease to be cured.Patricknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-14263739153764470012011-02-01T11:42:31.628-05:002011-02-01T11:42:31.628-05:00"I don't dispute that the early works are..."I don't dispute that the early works are a foundation on which more psychological study and work was based. But the work has progressed much beyond what the early thinkers believed."<br /><br />-It's exactly the same with feminist studies. Only one needs to be familiar with The Second Sex and Feminine Mystique to understand what later people were arguing against.<br /><br />" I see they now have a pill that will help you with the depressing effects of taking anti-depressant medication. "<br /><br />-I blogged about it a while ago. :-) I also blogged about how in my regular coffee-shop in New Haven there was this promotion where a packet of two extra-strong painkillers was attached to all coffee-sleeves. And those coffee-sleeves were in a place where even little children could get at them very easily! And nobody cared.Clarissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11027134365260069910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-67467557408998842042011-02-01T11:36:40.275-05:002011-02-01T11:36:40.275-05:001) I have read them (Freud, Jung, Feidman, Smith) ...1) I have read them (Freud, Jung, Feidman, Smith) - but it has been a long time, and I don't have cause or need to revisit them. <br /><br />2)I don't dispute that the early works are a foundation on which more psychological study and work was based. But the work has progressed much beyond what the early thinkers believed. Research did not end in the early 20th century.<br /><br />3) Couldn't agree more about the pill culture. I find the incessant commercials on TV pushing pill after pill very amusing/dismaying. I see they now have a pill that will help you with the depressing effects of taking anti-depressant medication. Of course, the pill may kill you, but at least you might die with a smile on your face.Patricknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-722374736241401612011-02-01T11:12:35.620-05:002011-02-01T11:12:35.620-05:00I don't know what you mean by "subscribin...I don't know what you mean by "subscribing to Freud." Without a profound understanding of Freud, it is impossible to engage with the theories of Lacan and Kristeva. Freud, Jung and their followers are an integral part of the development of the Western philosophy. They are as "outdated" as Kant, Plato, Aristotle, Hegel, etc. Some of the things Freud said were later disproved by his followers. But "the larger message" as you say has become a foundation of a host of later theoretical work. Freud's findings have had such a profound impact on the development of Western thought that they cannot be either dismissed or discounted.<br /><br />In the US, psychoanalytic theory is, indeed, vilified. That happens at the behest of pharmaceutical companies who want to make people turn to pills and only pills for the solution of any problems. Which is both detrimental and sad.<br /><br />But once again, we are discussing readings one of us hasn't done, which I don't think is very productive.Clarissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11027134365260069910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-23109849502473667322011-02-01T11:02:06.812-05:002011-02-01T11:02:06.812-05:00Your ignorance is showing again. Labour unions ar...Your ignorance is showing again. Labour unions are not government handouts. They are a collection of people who generally 'work' for an private corporation. Think United Autoworkers, Steelworkers, etc. . .There is no 'governmental handout' involved in any way. <br /><br />So, you still subscribe to Freud? His perverse dream analysis? When I was in university 20 years ago, he was studied solely as an introduction to modern psychology, but his work was dismissed as passe and irrelevant then. Have they discovered something new in his work to merit it's inclusion as a revised standard?<br /><br />As for the bible (or the older Torah) - they're not textbooks. And the parts that are 'outdated' (like rules for owning slaves and how to sell your daughter) have been dismissed by the western world. The larger messages of love, peace and compassion (NT) transcend time, and haven't been found to be outdated concepts.Patricknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-7627564487104415572011-02-01T10:51:56.910-05:002011-02-01T10:51:56.910-05:00Of course, that's not real job. That's a ...Of course, that's not real job. That's a governmental handout. I hate such things.<br /><br />Since when is Freud outdated???<br /><br />Also, how do you feel about people reading the Bible? That stuff is at least 2000 years outdated. :-) :-)Clarissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11027134365260069910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-77470198915137794912011-02-01T08:40:05.133-05:002011-02-01T08:40:05.133-05:00Interesting sidebar on the definition of 'work...Interesting sidebar on the definition of 'work'. Clearly, you've been isolated in your academic tower for too long.<br /><br />Reality check: It's extremely difficult and troublesome to fire someone, particularly if they belong to a labour union. Since they effectively can't be fired, (and if you want specific examples, I'll cite them for you in a separate email) does that mean they don't have a job?<br /><br />PS: I'm not going to waste my time reading a dissertation that it at least 50 years outdated. I don't read Freud either. When the work becomes outdated, it ceases to be useful.Patricknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-52286210015363312022011-02-01T00:51:55.325-05:002011-02-01T00:51:55.325-05:00Or do no standards exist if it is your own child y...Or do no standards exist if it is your own child you are "educating"?<br /><br />One should never start a sentence with a coordinating conjunction. People use varying forms of misspellings and incorrect grammar on these comments, I guess they are all ignorant too. I happen to know math teachers who know less math than my 16 year old and English teachers that never read anything other than what is in the curriculum, but apparently they are better teachers in your opinion. Even Clarissa makes some typos in her comments sometimes, but I think she is a very well educated person and I don't hold that against her.Liese4noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-87243011635102174892011-02-01T00:29:19.727-05:002011-02-01T00:29:19.727-05:00To clarify, it is also entirely possible that this...To clarify, it is also entirely possible that this woman turned to violence because she was trapped in a life that she didn't want.<br /><br />However, it is also possible that she had uncontrollable anger and impulse problems. She was obviously a gun owner, probably kept one in the glovebox of her car, and probably shot her son on a whim. When she realized that she had killed her son, there probably was not much inhibition left to prevent her from killing her daughter when she "mouthed off" too.<br /><br />Maybe its a combination of both.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-15590770762944180432011-02-01T00:24:13.876-05:002011-02-01T00:24:13.876-05:00A well made point. However, I'd find it utterl...A well made point. However, I'd find it utterly depressing to think that some people are only separated from murder by how bored or unfulfilled they are feeling.<br /><br />You're right though. This woman shouldn't have been a mother in the first place. Only a monster would execute their children because they were mouthing off.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-15847522822943232662011-02-01T00:05:57.180-05:002011-02-01T00:05:57.180-05:00A housewife and a writer are obviously two differe...A housewife and a writer are obviously two different things. Who's more fulfilled and psychologically healthy than a writer? Who can better educate anybody than a writer?<br /><br />There is simply no comparison here.<br /><br />You were lucky, in my opinion.Clarissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11027134365260069910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-80967627099522154672011-02-01T00:03:06.794-05:002011-02-01T00:03:06.794-05:00My Dad was stay-at-home and a writer. I was homesc...My Dad was stay-at-home and a writer. I was homeschooled at the time. I look back on that time as one of the happiest time periods I had in his company.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-63624679609048100942011-01-31T22:59:49.307-05:002011-01-31T22:59:49.307-05:00Job Description: A stay at home person stays home ...Job Description: A stay at home person stays home to provide care for his/her child (ren). A SAHP gets paid indirectly. The family can save on child rearing costs (which is extremely expensive in this country). Many of my aunts have to stay at home simply because of economic reasons. The sort of job available (given skills) pays the equivalent (if not more) of daycare costs. So in some family, it makes economic sense to have one parent stay at home and provide childcare services for the family. <br /><br />Standards: there are standards. If your child is malnourished, or shows signs of neglect and abuse, then the state exercises the right to remove such a child from the care of his/her parents. That is a standard that all child care giver (whether parental or otherwise) must meet. <br /><br />I understand your point but I wanted to point out something you might be missing in the argument. Some people simply cannot afford the luxury to go out and make enough money to put their children in daycare.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-84163016916001378112011-01-31T22:13:36.550-05:002011-01-31T22:13:36.550-05:00"So, don't go saying that all SAHM's ..."So, don't go saying that all SAHM's are depressed, the ones who chose this life know how awesome it is."<br /><br />"Unless you don't like your kids, or your job as teacher (in my case), then I guess it could get depressing. "<br /><br />"You said housewife, not SAHM, I guess a housewife is someone with no children then? So they are depressed because they have no life outside of cleaning their home?"<br /><br />Shouldn't you be required to know syntax and at the very least be able to construct a proper sentence in order to teach others? Or do no standards exist if it is your own child you are "educating"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-3729033408205674272011-01-31T20:24:57.353-05:002011-01-31T20:24:57.353-05:00And one more dictionary:
A JOB:
n.
A regular act...And one more dictionary:<br /><br />A JOB:<br /><br />n.<br />A regular activity performed in exchange for payment, especially as one's trade, occupation, or profession.<br />A position in which one is employed.<br />A task that must be done: Washing the windows is not my job.<br />A specified duty or responsibility. See synonyms at task.<br />A specific piece of work to be done for a set fee: an expensive repair job.<br /><br /><br />Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/job#ixzz1CfMaSYVB<br /><br />So I'm not that original after all.Clarissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11027134365260069910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-40444692223229009112011-01-31T20:23:00.176-05:002011-01-31T20:23:00.176-05:00Definition of a job:
"occupation: the princ...Definition of a job: <br /><br />"occupation: the principal activity in your life that you do to earn money; "he's not in my line of business"<br /><br />a specific piece of work required to be done as a duty or for a specific fee; "estimates of the city's loss on that job ranged as high as a million dollars"; "the job of repairing the engine took several hours"; "the endless task of classifying the samples"; "the farmer's morning chores"<br /><br />a workplace; as in the expression "on the job"Clarissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11027134365260069910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-4166201645611091402011-01-31T20:21:00.791-05:002011-01-31T20:21:00.791-05:00Then why do people talk of "charitable work&q...Then why do people talk of "charitable work" but not "charitable job"? And "volunteer work" and not "volunteer job"?Clarissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11027134365260069910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-62569193962325706692011-01-31T20:19:25.708-05:002011-01-31T20:19:25.708-05:00This is why it's important to agree about term...This is why it's important to agree about terminology from the start. For me a job is an activity for which you get paid and from which you can get fired. Everything else might be work (and hard work at that) but it isn't a job.<br /><br />You and I just use the word in different ways.Clarissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11027134365260069910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-33198125179921132412011-01-31T20:17:14.572-05:002011-01-31T20:17:14.572-05:00You seem to have a very original definition of wha...You seem to have a very original definition of what constitutes a job, which I never encountered anywhere else.<br /><br />That's because to me a job does not equal being paid. If everyone worked for just money there would be far fewer humanitarian and volunteer efforts that never get done.Liese4noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-30393402113917287042011-01-31T20:14:07.374-05:002011-01-31T20:14:07.374-05:00Job: a piece of work, esp. a specific task done as...Job: a piece of work, esp. a specific task done as part of the routine of one's occupation.<br /><br />a post of employment; full-time or part-time position.<br /><br />anything a person is expected or obliged to do; responsibility<br /><br />the execution or performance of a task.<br /><br />Gym, performance of a task. <br /><br />Work doesn't need to make you sweaty to constitute a job, I was just giving an example of one job that makes me sweaty. The gym is more work because I know in the end it is good for me, but I don't want to do it right now. <br /><br />Shoveling snow is a job which I will be doing tonight, it's my responsibility to shovel the sidewalk (per the HOA or get a fine.) But, I like that job too, it's quiet and peaceful with just the scraping of shovels breaking the silence.Liese4noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-91748044610674578702011-01-31T20:00:42.199-05:002011-01-31T20:00:42.199-05:00"As to the husband job: well, I'm sweaty ..."As to the husband job: well, I'm sweaty and completely exhausted after making love, that sounds like a hard day at work to me! "<br /><br />-So is going to a gym for a work out also a job? You seem to have a very original definition of what constitutes a job, which I never encountered anywhere else.<br />I'm grading papers right now. Which doesn't make me sweaty. Does it mean that grading isn't my job?<br /><br />"You'd think sex would be boring with my first and only partner for 19 years"<br /><br />-I don't think that at all. My best wished for a very happy and sexy reunion! :-)<br /><br />"I said you could call me silly (I have been called worse)"<br /><br />-Thank you, but I don't want to. :-)Clarissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11027134365260069910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3164556861454970487.post-81594843429689693142011-01-31T19:43:19.764-05:002011-01-31T19:43:19.764-05:00I'll concede the standards issue to you when p...I'll concede the standards issue to you when put that way. I have state standards that I have to teach to, not my own. <br /><br />As to the husband job: well, I'm sweaty and completely exhausted after making love, that sounds like a hard day at work to me! Do you study for your job? Well, I study my husband, I study what arouses him and what doesn't, I study what smells make him crazy, I work on ways to make him feel incredible (and he does the same for me.) I only get paid in kisses and hugs. You'd think sex would be boring with my first and only partner for 19 years, but my gosh, he has a way of surprising me! <br /><br />I said you could call me silly (I have been called worse) I didn't say you did.Liese4noreply@blogger.com